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Potatis wrote:Looking through the Challenge 7 entries, I'm reminded the D70 can take such stunning photos. Looking at the photos on the computer, I can't tell the difference between a D70 and a D2x. I'll upgrade when the D2x's successor arrives. By then, hopefully I'll have the skills that go beyond what the D70 can do.

So, No preorder? Only Johndec!

I heard lot of demand from many our fellows prior its released, but it's quiet now, perhaps the heat is down now

Pls. take my advice: Hang on to your D70, shoot it well, make it more valuables than what you paid it for, until it died, can't revive, then keep it in your museum and looking for a new body.

This hobby is too expensive as other mentioned

Birddog114 wrote:
Pls. take my advice: Hang on to your D70, shoot it well, make it more valuables than what you paid it for, until it died, can't revive, then keep it in your museum and looking for a new body.

Yeah, I bought my D70 in April this year, with an extended (3 year) warranty. That's how long I thought I'd have it.

Yep, me too. The increase from 6MP to 10MP is only 800 pixels more on the longest side, that really isn't that much of a difference, I realise there are other differences, but as people have mentioned there is nothing really major. The d70 can and will take fantastic shots if the photographer can use it, I don't think I will ever outgrow the D70, Possibly when it dies or when I get a big inheritance, then I will look for a new cam

Still waiting on the news of the D200 I

My D70 is in I Mode and I can't find it or is that C Mode ( Cloaking Mode )

Mic ( Clingon )

Birddog114 wrote:So, No preorder? Only Johndec!

Time will tell if I'm a genius or a fool !!

Perhaps the fact that I require a Digital Camera for my business (hence I can write it off as a deduction) may explain some of my bravado.....

well, i hope the hype over the d200 is as good as todays cup results.

What did you think about it Thai? Staged?

Do birddogs cameras come with a tax reciept?

as a working photographer I could claim on tax but im not sure what the go is yet.

redline wrote:well, i hope the hype over the d200 is as good as todays cup results.

Grrr... Don't know about that. I stated in an earlier post in this thread that getting the trifecta would easily pay for a D200. Anyway, the trifecta paid $7773 in NSW and I had 1st, 3rd and 4th

Michael wrote:Do birddogs cameras come with a tax reciept?

as a working photographer I could claim on tax but im not sure what the go is yet.

Then you need to read and understand this, this, this and then, when you're ready to order, this.

The only questions that you should have after reading those would be pricing and availability.

Thanks for that gary It's much appreciated!

Gary can an ordering procedure (inclusive of the form) be made sticky and topmost in the Bargains section titled "Procedures for ordering through Birddog/HKS".

It should be the very first thing people see in that area.

kipper wrote:Gary can an ordering procedure (inclusive of the form) be made sticky and topmost in the Bargains section titled "Procedures for ordering through Birddog/HKS".

It should be the very first thing people see in that area.

Why?

That's already been done in the Information section, where it more appropriately should be - it's information, not a bargain!

I've also just modified the description of that section so that it tells people that they need to read the posts in that section, along with the FAQ.

Yes, but it's associated with the purchasing of the goods in the Bargains section.

Another preview http://www.letsgodigital.org/html/review/nikon/d200/dslr_EN1.html

kipper wrote:Yes, but it's associated with the purchasing of the goods in the Bargains section.

It's still information, and it's in the information section, whereas the bargain section contains, lo and behold, bargains.

Convince me, remembering that I'm the sort of guy who likes to only do things once, and I already consider this to be done.

Oh yes, please do not try to convince me in this thread, because it's off topic.

kipper wrote:What did you think about it Thai? Staged?

it sounded more like ground hog day to me Darryl, maybe not to the bookies though. word is a bookie had his/her bag stolen on the saturaday, noone know how much was in it, $$$$$$.
after that horse won last year, you hear over the pa "history is being made today in racing history, blah blah blah" although i was quite shocked to see it come out of nowhere in the last straight.

johndec wrote:

redline wrote:well, i hope the hype over the d200 is as good as todays cup results.

Grrr... Don't know about that. I stated in an earlier post in this thread that getting the trifecta would easily pay for a D200. Anyway, the trifecta paid $7773 in NSW and I had 1st, 3rd and 4th

so iam guessing you didn't win right?
glad i am too dumb to know how to bet on horses.

Anyone read Japanese?

http://www.yodobashi.com/enjoy/more/i/46000875.html

D200: ￥238,000 = AUD$2,736.17
18-200 VR: ￥88,200 = AUD$1,014.33
MB-D200: ￥16,800 = AUD$193.26

Grain or three of salt with the prices perhaps, but the proportions are interesting nonetheless.

MCWB, you're forgetting the 50% markup by Maxwells.

AUD$4100
AUD$1500
AUD$300

That's what the RRP will look like on Maxwells website.

Look's like the full preview is up on DP Review camera , lens & flash unit

it's also on Rob Galbraith's site if no has already mentioned

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7888-8061

I'm sure it will be on a multitude of sites and duplicated quickly but none are as hands on such as Birdie will provide

kipper wrote:MCWB, you're forgetting the 50% markup by Maxwells.

AUD$4100
AUD$1500
AUD$300

That's what the RRP will look like on Maxwells website.

Ealier on this thread, I mentioned its RRP is AU$3900.00 and people rants and it's from my trusted sources

And now once they have seen the selling price in the US or Japan for around AU$2400.00, then what's next

What do people expect? same price as the D70? D50?negative!!!!!
That's how human is? want everything perfect but less premium.

Yes, It will be over $3K once it's available on the shelves of the retailer.
To add up all accessories as batteries, MB-D200 = mid or high of AU$3K.

The D100 when first came out sold for AU$3.5K or more.

ECS and some other resellers are still selling NOS (New Old Stock) of D100 body for $2495.00 as of today, and stock are available at Maxwell.

Interesting on Rob Galbraith's site he also mentions

Version 4.4 of Nikon Capture will be required to process the D200's NEF files

although I don't see a version 4.4. Either Rob knows of a new release soon or it's a typo

LostDingo wrote:Interesting on Rob Galbraith's site he also mentions

Version 4.4 of Nikon Capture will be required to process the D200's NEF files

although I don't see a version 4.4. Either Rob knows of a new release soon or it's a typo

LostDingo,
Yes, it's and he's right.
The new NC 4.4 will handle the D200 same as the D2x with new firmware (keep your tone down please) .

My sources who were at the Maxwell's announcement on Monday night have indicated a price in the mid-two grand range.

Cheers,

Sheetshooter wrote:My sources who were at the Maxwell's announcement on Monday night have indicated a price in the mid-two grand range.

Cheers,

Hope this comes true!!!!

Hi,

from the Nikon USA press release:

The D200 will be available in late December 2005 for an estimated selling price of $1699.95***.

that converts to $2270AUD, so mid $2k as reported by Sheetshooter sounds feasible.

EDIT: that is without a lens of course.

cheers,

radar

Same source also said that it's the same auto-focus as D2x - plus takes SD cards in addition to CF.

I have not read this entoire thread but in case it has not been mentioned previously (or elsewhere) the new lens is VRII and VRII is apparently good for an extra 4 stops of shutter speed.

All O-rings and seals magnesium alloy body. Availability December (hopefully or supposedly depending in your trust of 'announcements').

Cheers,

Oh, forgot to mention: the macro-flash rig is supposedly pretty incredible allowing several heads to be mounted around the front of the lens and controlled from the unit in the hot-shoe. A former rep suggested that this might be in an attempt to get back some of the medical market which has been lost to Pentax in recent years.

Cheers,

Starting to sound implausible unfortunately SS.

I've just read a couple of hands on previews, and they talk about CAM1000, not CAM2000 and can't recall a mention of SD.

The source who told me handled one in Sydney. Would I doubt him?

radar wrote:Hi,

from the Nikon USA press release:

The D200 will be available in late December 2005 for an estimated selling price of $1699.95***.

that converts to $2270AUD, so mid $2k as reported by Sheetshooter sounds feasible.

cheers,

radar

radar,

Please look back to the released price of RRP for all Nikon DSLR in the past between US vs local market and they aren't relevant, as the D2x, D2H/s, D70, D50, D100.

Normall selling price if the D2x is $7150.00 in Australia/ HKG price is AU$5500.00, difference is $1600.00.

Finally, as I said, I wish the quote from SS comes true, so more toys to play for the big boy.

Streetshooter,

Is your mate who saw it a film guy? All the specs say just Compact flash I & II plus microdrive (which is really a small disk drive inside a CF case). Maybe he thought that was two formats if he is not digitally aware, but really there is only one slot in the camera, not two like the Canon 1Ds MKII. Here is Nikons own specs:

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?ca ... ctNr=25235

Glen wrote:Streetshooter,

Is your mate who saw it a film guy? All the specs say just Compact flash I & II plus microdrive (which is really a small disk drive inside a CF case). Maybe he thought that was two formats if he is not digitally aware, but really there is only one slot in the camera, not two like the Canon 1Ds MKII. Here is Nikons own specs:

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?ca ... ctNr=25235

Thanks Glen,
You're quick than me

Sheetshooter wrote:Same source also said that it's the same auto-focus as D2x - plus takes SD cards in addition to CF.

Your source might need to check his or her sources then.

The D200 has different AF and doesn't take SD cards, and their pricing recommendation fails to account for Maxwell's failure to accept the realities of life in the 21st century.

If the viewfinder's up to snuff, this would be a good reason for those with older film cameras (who have not yet made the switch) to move to digital.

Im still hoping for a Full Frame nikon DSLR... it would be such a shame not to be able to use my 15mm ais etc.

I do like the inclusion on the AI ring on the D200.
For now im metering with my FA with ais lense, and using that metering for my ais on my F100... fiddly to say the least.

Birdy's D2h blew me away...
Before that becomes a $$ feasbility for myself im hoping the FF has finally arrived!

J

jdear wrote:
Birdy's D2h blew me away...
Before that becomes a $$ feasbility for myself im hoping the FF has finally arrived!

J

It might be awhile when you see Nikon has one ready!

jdear wrote:

If the viewfinder's up to snuff, this would be a good reason for those with older film cameras (who have not yet made the switch) to move to digital.

Im still hoping for a Full Frame nikon DSLR... it would be such a shame not to be able to use my 15mm ais etc.

And I can't think of a better reason.


But I don't think we'll see this for another two years. There's plenty of life (and sales) in the D2x arena, and it's a very capable piece of kit, as you know.

My guess is that we'll see a lobotomised D200 in the form of a D90 sometime next year (with a February PMA announcement likely), perhaps a minor upgrade to the D2x in 12 months from now(Photokina announcement, 2007 PMA release), and that will hold us until the D3 series announcement, which will be the full frame, at some point after that.

I really don't understand why the need for full frame? With APS-C sized sensors you can get the wide angle lenses now, plus you get bonus extra 'reach' with long lenses. I'm sure the D2x would be able to produce awesome large prints so I don't see the advantages that FF would have over it in that regard. And as technology grows, moore's so called law and all that, no doubt they'll be fitting more megapixels into an APS-C sensor and reducing associated noise etc.

Anyway that's just me, I don't see the point of going FF.

owen wrote:I really don't understand why the need for full frame? With APS-C sized sensors you can get the wide angle lenses now, plus you get bonus extra 'reach' with long lenses. I'm sure the D2x would be able to produce awesome large prints so I don't see the advantages that FF would have over it in that regard. And as technology grows, moore's so called law and all that, no doubt they'll be fitting more megapixels into an APS-C sensor and reducing associated noise etc.

Anyway that's just me, I don't see the point of going FF.

Owen,

If you've not used a traditional FF with a wide angle lens, you probably won't "get it". It's not you though.

it goes beyond simply quality as determined by pixel count, but suffice to say that the DX lenses don't really do the same job.

You can tell I haven't used one can't you I'll take your word for it Gary. I guess I'm just more than happy with what I've got and I sometimes think why do people want more?

i dont want more as suggested...

I dont even own a DSLR...

Id just like to be able to maximise my lense collection by using some of my old AIS lenses... currently using a 15mm ais on nikon DSLR equates to 22.5mm not quite the same!

if I was to save up for a DSLR in the future, id have the need for a pro body, and by the time i save up, I would hope nikon would have brought a FF to the camp.

guess thats what happens going over from the film camp.

JD

Any of these previews give anymore detail as to the efficiency and SPEED of this cam1000? I think in a nutshell that seems to be the sticking point with alot of potential owners!
cheers
marco

Marco - I think that one has to look at the whole system rather than pick on one dubious function. If the same debate had been applied to the D70 no one would have bought it considering its rather primitive focussing system.

My thoughts are that one balances everything on the D200 against the D2X and then compares the price. The differential will determine whether or not you choose the D200 or D2X. To the D200 you have to add in the price of the MB-200!

I did the same with the D2X and the D2Hs. I have never been hyped over pixels as I ran a D1 (2.7M) for 4 years and had literally thousands of shots from the camera published. Hence, my purchase of the D2Hs.

Chris
True words but my point was that having looked at the whole package there is still some question, given its new design and auto focuspoints, as to the speed and effectiveness of the auto focus on this otherwise quite well spec'd camera.

For me, in any case, the decision on what to buy is reduced down to the relative effectiveness of the autofocus cam module. As you also rightly point out cost effectiveness is a big issue considering the MB-200 add-on. Then again we have to wait to confirm price of the new unit to really know whether continuing on to the D2X (quite a jump in affordability for me) is a real option.

Either way I'm going to wait for a few working reviews by the Thoms of the world and our local forum community thanks to Birddog
s fine offer.

cheers
marco

johndec wrote:Vanbar already have it on their site and VERY sharply priced ($AU2530 incl GST) Of course when they will have stock is another question...

http://www.vanbar.com.au/catalogue/index.php?id=66.249.71.691129506246&brand=&user=&end=1&Item1=CAMERA&Item2=DIGITAL-SLR&Item3=NIKON

Well that didn't last long... it's now listed at $2970.00 (actual not estimated price).

Birdy was right as usual

johndec wrote:

johndec wrote:Vanbar already have it on their site and VERY sharply priced ($AU2530 incl GST) Of course when they will have stock is another question...

http://www.vanbar.com.au/catalogue/index.php?id=66.249.71.691129506246&brand=&user=&end=1&Item1=CAMERA&Item2=DIGITAL-SLR&Item3=NIKON

Well that didn't last long... it's now listed at $2970.00 (actual not estimated price).

Birdy was right as usual

Vanbar are not a discount business per se so if this is their price we can expect lower prices from others