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Postby Potatis on Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:41 pm

MUCH bigger than I imagined! :shock:
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Postby mudder on Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:54 am

OK, dumb question time :oops: (I hope this hasn't already been asked but I couldn't find a reference to it in a search), does CS2 support the D200 raw format? Will CS2 open the file OK or is there an update required to the adobe raw converter?
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Postby Potatis on Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:12 pm

mudder wrote:OK, dumb question time :oops: (I hope this hasn't already been asked but I couldn't find a reference to it in a search), does CS2 support the D200 raw format? Will CS2 open the file OK or is there an update required to the adobe raw converter?


I'll be disappointed if it doesn't. I'm going to be annoyed if Nikon change the RAW format all the time. What happens in 15, 20 or 30 years time to my RAW files? Do I have to keep my CS2, or a D70 plugin for the rest of my life just to open my D70 RAW files? I want to keep my RAW files as a negative that I can go back to when I'm 80 years old and PP it as if I took the photo yesterday. Hopefully CS2 will be able to read the D200 RAW and every other RAW file in the future. :)
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Postby Glen on Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:17 pm

Adobe & Nikon put out a kiss and make up press release after the WB incident so I would say yes.

Doug, not so sure if that will be the case (unless you are 78 now :lol: ). I posted some info a while back about changing standards. I think if I had some family photos I treasured I would also back them up as tiffs and jpgs
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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:23 pm

Doug,
i don't think anything can be changed with NEF, it's their format and they will use it for a loooooong time.
Adobe and Nikon had a play before, and few guys from this forum rant about it. But at the end all back to square.
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Postby Potatis on Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:37 pm

:D

I'm sure Nikon will always have a way I can open and edit my D70 photos. :) Thanks for the reassurance.

I wonder if Nikon will change the NEF format in the future, but will have a NEF conversion that will upgrade existing NEF files to the new format. Just like the way old Word documents could be updated and opened in a newer format, in a newer version of MS Word.
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Postby johndec on Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:26 pm

Why the D70 battery wont fit in the D200: (Note the different shaped and sized locating slot next to the terminals)

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Postby NikonUser on Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:56 pm

According to a guy over at Nikonians who has had a play with the camera the Autofocus on the D200 is much faster and more accurate than that on a D70:

http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID202/231.html

I'm hoping for more reports like that over the next few weeks/months :)

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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:02 pm

johndec wrote:Why the D70 battery wont fit in the D200: (Note the different shaped and sized locating slot next to the terminals)

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John,
To clarify this, these can be inserted two body D70/D200, but you could not power it up wit each difference battery.
The EN-EL3/a has two contacts and other got three contacts, the contacts of EN-EL3e won't match with the internal contacts of the D70 or vice versa.
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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:08 pm

NikonUser wrote:According to a guy over at Nikonians who has had a play with the camera the Autofocus on the D200 is much faster and more accurate than that on a D70:

http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID202/231.html

I'm hoping for more reports like that over the next few weeks/months :)

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Yes, I always maintained my statement is: the AF on D200 is more faster than the D70. If you do need the fast AF seriously with 2 extra fps and extra 4MP, then nothing to say, go for it. Prepare to pay it in high of 2K

If it's just for fun or just a simple hobby, does anyone happy to spend nearly double price to upgrade to the D200 from D70.

Pls. note: the D200 is not the D70 upgrade, it's the D100 replacement.
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Postby NikonUser on Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:29 pm

Birddog114 wrote:
NikonUser wrote:According to a guy over at Nikonians who has had a play with the camera the Autofocus on the D200 is much faster and more accurate than that on a D70:

http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID202/231.html

I'm hoping for more reports like that over the next few weeks/months :)

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Yes, I always maintained my statement is: the AF on D200 is more faster than the D70. If you do need the fast AF seriously with 2 extra fps and extra 4MP, then nothing to say, go for it. Prepare to pay it in high of 2K

If it's just for fun or just a simple hobby, does anyone happy to spend nearly double price to upgrade to the D200 from D70.

Pls. note: the D200 is not the D70 upgrade, it's the D100 replacement.


The D100/D200 line of cameras are higher models than the D70/D90(?) line though aren't they?

My (totally un-factual based) forecast is that when the D70 replacement comes out it will be to the D200 as the D70 was to the D100... Very similar cameras with the D90 having a few tweaks/upgrades/newer technology.

Does that sound about right?

My photography is just a hobby and for fun... but I'm going to have around $5k by the end of next financial year to play with. I plan to buy a couple of lenses and the D200 with it (if the D200 turns out to be as good as it sounds). I was toying with the idea of getting a D2X but can't justify spending quite that amount on a body that I will probably want to replace in a few years (lust!!). I have no problem in spending that amount of money on lenses however as they will last a lot longer.
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Postby gooseberry on Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:49 pm

Actually, the EN-EL3e battery that comes with the D200 will work on the D70,D70s, D50 etc. Even though it has three contacts (the older DSLRs use only two of them).

Nikon Singapore have been replacing the EN-EL3 batteries in the current battery recall with EN-EL3e batteries for D70 users.

So, in summary, the older batteries, EN-EL3 and EN-EL3a will not work with the D200, but the newer battery EN-EL3e will work with the older DSLRs that take the EN-EL3 and EN-EL3a.
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Postby gooseberry on Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:56 pm

Birdie, if you can get 8 of those SB-R200 wireless flash units for the members to try, see if you can try this... :lol:

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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:25 pm

gooseberry wrote:Actually, the EN-EL3e battery that comes with the D200 will work on the D70,D70s, D50 etc. Even though it has three contacts (the older DSLRs use only two of them).

Nikon Singapore have been replacing the EN-EL3 batteries in the current battery recall with EN-EL3e batteries for D70 users.

So, in summary, the older batteries, EN-EL3 and EN-EL3a will not work with the D200, but the newer battery EN-EL3e will work with the older DSLRs that take the EN-EL3 and EN-EL3a.


What I have known of the replacement of the faulty battery EN-EL3 is the EN-EL3a not EN-EL3e.

I have received internal memo from our supplier about this recall and the replacement on new batch of the EN-EL3a.

EL3a works with all D100/ D70/S/D50 but not EL3e.
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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:32 pm

NikonUser wrote: The D100/D200 line of cameras are higher models than the D70/D90(?) line though aren't they?


Yes, The D100 is more for semipro than the D70/ and the D70 is not the D100 replacement.

My (totally un-factual based) forecast is that when the D70 replacement comes out it will be to the D200 as the D70 was to the D100... Very similar cameras with the D90 having a few tweaks/upgrades/newer technology.

Does that sound about right?


The D200 is the replacement of the D100, not the D70 or 70s.

The next replacement of the D70 will be in early 06 if it's true from our sources.
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Postby NikonUser on Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:35 pm

Birddog114 wrote:
The next replacement of the D70 will be in early 06 if it's true from our sources.


Maybe that will be out before I make my purchase (Around July/August Next Year) and I'll go down that path.

Too many choices!!

Is the D70 replacement due to be announced at PMA (I think that's what it's called) in Feb?
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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:38 pm

gooseberry wrote:Birdie, if you can get 8 of those SB-R200 wireless flash units for the members to try, see if you can try this... :lol:

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DSLRUSER's member! how many of you would like to buy this set of eight new flash units?
Pls. raise your hand!

I've seen these in real play, and it can be setup as random flashes.
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Postby redline on Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:53 pm

would a flash ring be cheaper?
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Postby gooseberry on Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:56 pm

Birddog114 wrote:What I have known of the replacement of the faulty battery EN-EL3 is the EN-EL3a not EN-EL3e.

I have received internal memo from our supplier about this recall and the replacement on new batch of the EN-EL3a.

EL3a works with all D100/ D70/S/D50 but not EL3e.


That's weird Birdie, 'cos I know of at least 10 D70 users here in Sg who have had their EN-EL3 batteries replaced by Nikon Singapore as part of the current battery recall with EN-EL3e batteries (the new one for the D200 that has three contacts), so it must work with the D70.
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Postby gooseberry on Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:01 pm

redline wrote:would a flash ring be cheaper?


Hahha... yep. The only current ring flash to support iTTL is the Sigma one.

But the nice things with these new flash units is that they are wireless and have stands so can be used as remote slaves with a GN of 10. If you need multiple flash units, they're much cheaper than buying multiple SB-600s and SB-800s.
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Postby d70_n00b on Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:16 pm

Birddog114 wrote:
gooseberry wrote:Actually, the EN-EL3e battery that comes with the D200 will work on the D70,D70s, D50 etc. Even though it has three contacts (the older DSLRs use only two of them).

Nikon Singapore have been replacing the EN-EL3 batteries in the current battery recall with EN-EL3e batteries for D70 users.

So, in summary, the older batteries, EN-EL3 and EN-EL3a will not work with the D200, but the newer battery EN-EL3e will work with the older DSLRs that take the EN-EL3 and EN-EL3a.


What I have known of the replacement of the faulty battery EN-EL3 is the EN-EL3a not EN-EL3e.

I have received internal memo from our supplier about this recall and the replacement on new batch of the EN-EL3a.

EL3a works with all D100/ D70/S/D50 but not EL3e.


I'd hate to argue a point (especially when I could be wrong! :D ), but on the NikonUSA site where I was reading about the battery replacement, it says:

NikonUSA Website wrote:Your EN-EL3 battery pack will be replaced free of charge within approximately 7-10 days of our receipt with a new EN-EL3a or EN-EL3e battery pack. The EN-EL3a and the EN-EL3e may be freely substituted for the EN-EL3 in all cases.


Sure makes it sound like the EN-EL3e would work in the D70...
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Postby johndec on Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:28 pm

When you look at the pic I posted earlier it appears that the +ve and -ve terminals in both batteries are similarly placed and therefore the "e" version should work OK in the D70. The kicker is that the locating notch inside the D200 battery housing is wider, therefore making it impossible to insert a standard or "a" battery... (Without attacking your old battery with a file, which I wouldn't recommend :shock: )

Of course even if you did that, you still are missing the centre monitoring terminal.
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Postby birddog114 on Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:18 pm

Well Gentlemen!
I don't want to drag it further!
Officially, I don't have any instruction from my supplier to replace any EN-EL3e for the recalled EN-EL3, coz, no stock or stock of the EN-EL3e does not exist atm.
But I have received stock (25) from my supplier today and they are EN-EL3a, those batteries are replacement batteries for Govt. sector which I sold to them since early last year.

For the use of the EN-EL3 or EL3a with the D200, we better wait and see when the D200 arrives, I had a try and it didn't work also it's not recommended by Nikon.
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Postby johndec on Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:13 pm

Birddog114 wrote:
For use the EN-EL3 or EL3a with the D200, we better wait and see when the D200 arrives, I had a try and it didn't work also it's not recommended by Nikon.


You're right Birdy, EN-EL3(a) wont work in a D200. You can't put a square peg in a round hole, the locating slots are a different shape. :lol:
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Postby marcotrov on Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:16 pm

Will you guys stop this talk of the D200. I'm getting all excited again it will be another cold shower shortly :wink:
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Postby gooseberry on Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:24 pm

No worries Birdie. I had posted 'cos you mentioned that the new EN-EL3e battery could not be used on the D70.

I was saying that it does seem to (EN-EL3e works in a D70) - as Nikon Singapore is giving them as replacements for the EN-EL3 for D70 users.

And I don't think anybody was suggesting that the older batteries will work with the D200 - everybody are saying that they won't.
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Postby Potatis on Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:58 pm

All I care about is whether the EN-EL3a battery works in my battery charger. Obviously it must.
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Postby birddog114 on Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:13 am

More D200 stuff for the fans:

Observations:
1. Processed from RAW shots, so we don't know the postrpocessing paramters
2. Shot around Aug-2005, so pre-production camera?
3. There's a nice shot with the 18-200mm, albeit at f/10

4. Photos look to be processed for maximum punch effect in the D200 brochure, so some RGB 0,0,0 spots can be found

5. The elderly look good in RGB III
6. 12-24 and 28-70 lenses were also used

http://nikond200.dcbase.com/index.php/2 ... argentina/
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Postby nito on Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:48 pm

Look what happens when I am away! Cant wait for a full review of sorts.

However exciting, but I might by-pass this puppy and get better lens.
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Postby birddog114 on Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:55 pm

nito wrote:Look what happens when I am away! Cant wait for a full review of sorts.

However exciting, but I might by-pass this puppy and get better lens.


nito,
Welcome back! you've been banned till 2006 :shock: :lol:
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Postby NikonUser on Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:02 pm

I like your signature Nito...

I've imposed a self-ban until July 2006 on any major photographic purchases (anything over $500 basically)

...not long.....argh.

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Postby nito on Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:04 pm

Birddog114 wrote:
nito wrote:Look what happens when I am away! Cant wait for a full review of sorts.

However exciting, but I might by-pass this puppy and get better lens.


nito,
Welcome back! you've been banned till 2006 :shock: :lol:


Birddog the ban is almost lifted. :D :D 1.5 more months, gotta start planning early!

nikonuser, the ban is from the missus. But since our honeymoon, she has seen the light and think lens are good.
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