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Exposure 101

Postby gstark on Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:34 pm

This is the first of a number of tutorials that we'll be creating and making available to you.

Many thanks to Cricketfan for all of his hard work in preparing this.

Please PM me with suggestions of other tutorials that you feel may be useful (or offers to prepare some).

Enjoy.
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Postby Kristine on Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:41 pm

Hi Gary

This tutorial was a great idea and will be very useful to us members :P



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Thanks for taking the time to make such a valuable resource - this is much appreciated.
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Postby ru32day on Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:55 pm

Thanks, Cricketfan for this tutorial.

I was trying to explain the relationship between shutter speed and aperture to my son last week. He looked quite confused. I'll go back with your hosepipe example, which is much clearer :!:
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Postby Glen on Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:12 pm

Thanks Cricketfan, very impressive
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Postby phillipb on Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:25 pm

Good work, the only other thing that I would suggest is to wherever possible add some photos to illustrate the example.
This series should become compulsary reading.
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Postby brembo on Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:04 pm

Looks like some valuable information, and as suggested, some photos to go along with the examples would work a treat.

I'll have to give it a more thorough read over when I'm not so tired.
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Postby W00DY on Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:08 pm

Will read this tomorrow (hoping for a slow day at work!!!).

This is a great idea for the forum and look forward to one day maybe knowing enough about something (does it have to be photography specific?) to write one myself :D

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Postby christiand on Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:11 pm

Thank you very much for starting the tutorials.
This will be a great source of photographic knowhow.

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Postby birddog114 on Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:48 pm

We have few tutorials in Important link section, it might worth to re-post or re-direct to this section.
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Postby gstark on Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:51 am

W00DY wrote:Will read this tomorrow (hoping for a slow day at work!!!).

This is a great idea for the forum and look forward to one day maybe knowing enough about something (does it have to be photography specific?) to write one myself :D

W00DY


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theywould need to be relevant for the members of this forum.
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Postby gstark on Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:54 am

Birddog114 wrote:We have few tutorials in Important link section, it might worth to re-post or re-direct to this section.


Birddog,

Yes we do, but those are not original content, and they're mixed in with other links as well.

The intention is that these are going to be original content only, and only one thread per tutorial, thus hopefully making it easier for people to find what they want.
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Postby Geoff on Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:48 am

Cricketfan - this is brilliant, GREAT work. I might show this to my fiancee who is always interested in learning more about the camera and how it works, I can tell her but to be able to read what you've compiled in a very simple to follow format, it's a real winner. Thanks for your worthy contribution!

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Postby bwhinnen on Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:12 pm

Great work Cricketfan, do you actually run workshops and so forth, I may possibly be interested?

One thing that I know someone, my wife for example, may find confusing is that f3.5 is larger than f22, maybe a reference to the fact that f3.5 or f# is actually another way of representing f/3.5 or f/22. Then explain that the f is the focal length and that is the reason those telephoto lenses with a bigger f-number have such a big barrel diameter. Or am I off the mark and you'll do an article specifically on aperture and so on?

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Postby the foto fanatic on Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:09 pm

Hi Brett & thanks for the note.
Instead of a formal workshop, why don't we have an informal one with all the Brisbane D70 community? Everyone can ask questions of each other in an atmosphere of friendship & learning.
I believe we have contemplated a couple of dates after the festive season when we can all get together.
I'll look forward to meeting you then. :) PS - I am going to do a more detailed article on Aperture & Depth of Field, as well as another on Shutter speed & motion. :D
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Re: Workshops

Postby bwhinnen on Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:13 pm

cricketfan wrote:Hi Brett & thanks for the note.
Instead of a formal workshop, why don't we have an informal one with all the Brisbane D70 community? Everyone can ask questions of each other in an atmosphere of friendship & learning.
I believe we have contemplated a couple of dates after the festive season when we can all get together.
I'll look forward to meeting you then. :) PS - I am going to do a more detailed article on Aperture & Depth of Field, as well as another on Shutter speed & motion. :D
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That'd be sweet Trevor. I'll be up for an informal meet and greet.

Can't wait for your other articles.

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Postby dooda on Wed Jan 05, 2005 5:56 am

Cricket Fan,

I did as you suggested in your tutorial and sent water into my camera from a hosepipe to an interesting effect. However I wouldn't recommend this to anyone else as my camera doesn't seem to work as well anymore. The rest of the tutorial seems to be pretty good advice though. :oops:
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Hosepipe?

Postby the foto fanatic on Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:32 am

hi dooda
Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the hosepipe!
Maybe you have a faulty stop-cock! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby birddog114 on Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:36 am

dooda wrote:Cricket Fan,

I did as you suggested in your tutorial and sent water into my camera from a hosepipe to an interesting effect. However I wouldn't recommend this to anyone else as my camera doesn't seem to work as well anymore. The rest of the tutorial seems to be pretty good advice though. :oops:


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Sorry to hear it! but how? :cry:
Anything can be fixed? hope you'll have the solution for it!
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Postby ajax on Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:59 am

Gary,

great idea. Thanks for implementing it. Very handy for novices like me. Cricketfan thanks for the article and the efforts you have put in.

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Postby ru32day on Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:23 pm

It worked! Used the tutorial to explain this stuff to my son, then explained the confusing stuff about F stops being 1/whatever. Even asked him some relevant questions - how would you get a shot that had was clear front to back of the shot - how to pick out a person and blur the rest etc (just big or little, not exact settings) and he got it all correct.

One further thing that I use as a memory check - Bigger DOF requires a bigger number on the guide, smaller DOF a smaller one. I know it's actually a smaller aperture and a bigger one respectively, and the numbers are really fractions and therefore the numbers aren't really bigger, but smaller (trip over tongue again) but I find this an easy memory check (yes, I always liked My very easy memory guide seems useful naming planets as well).
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Postby shakey on Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:33 am

Gotto get a few posts up so I can post some photos!
AutoISO, as an additional tool in getting correct exposure, seems to be neglected by most, dismissed by others and then damned by faint praise by the rest. I think it is a valuable tool when you want to have absolute control of the speed and the aperture you want to shoot at. I'm thinking outdoors action shots. It is a tool unavailable to film photographers.

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Postby gstark on Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:06 am

shakey wrote:Gotto get a few posts up so I can post some photos!
AutoISO, as an additional tool in getting correct exposure, seems to be neglected by most, dismissed by others and then damned by faint praise by the rest. I think it is a valuable tool when you want to have absolute control of the speed and the aperture you want to shoot at. I'm thinking outdoors action shots. It is a tool unavailable to film photographers.

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Welcome. You can post images at any time; there's no restriction on post counts for that.

There was a recent discussion on auto-iso - maybe 4 weeks or so back? might be worth looking for that too.

I personally think it's almost worthless; you have no idea of when it's going to change, nor what it's going to change to. If I need a fast ISO, I should be able to recognise the situation and adjust my shooting technique as appropriate.
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Postby the foto fanatic on Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:30 am

Hi shakey & welcome

Yes, be wary of auto-ISO. If you want to use it, my tip would be to use it in Manual mode only. That is the only way you retain full control of aperture and shutter speed. Even in this case, you are giving the camera carte-blanche to introduce noise to your shot at whatever level it wants. Not desirable, IMHO.

If you use auto-ISO in Aperture-preferred, the camera actually changes shutter-speed before it changes ISO.

So, at best I believe it to be a tricky setting, and wouldn't recommend its use in normal circumstances.
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Postby shakey on Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:28 am

Shakey,

>Welcome. You can post images at any time; there's no restriction on >post counts for that.

..Thanks for that. I was really thinking of the "challenges" which require a 5 post threshold

>There was a recent discussion on auto-iso - maybe 4 weeks or so back? >might be worth looking for that too.

>I personally think it's almost worthless; you have no idea of when it's >going to change, nor what it's going to change to. If I need a fast ISO, I >should be able to recognise the situation and adjust my shooting >technique as appropriate.

...For the most point I agree with you, but I disagree that it's "almost worthless". I think its useful in fading light (or rapidly changing light) when you are trying to freeze action ( eg a rodeo as dusk falls, or as clouds pass across the sun). I only use it in S or M mode, and only in certain situations. It only kicks into action when correct exposure is not achieved at the default ISO. I believe (but can stand corrected) that auto ISO will only bump the ISO up to the number which gives correct exposure. If it's a choice between an underexposed shot or a "noisy" well exposed shot I'll usually take the well exposed shot anytime, and use Noise Ninja to reduce the noise if necessary.

So taking it point by point
1. You DO know when it is going to change. It will change when your selected shutter speed, aperture and default ISO will result in an underexposed shot.
2. You DO know what the ISO will change to...it will change to lowest ISO which will lead to a correctly exposed shot

I see auto ISO as a "last chance" option to get correct expose in photographically inclement situations. Used appropriately I think it's a useful tool.

Anyway I'll get off the soapbox now and congratulate you on a wonderful site and resource for dSLR users.


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Postby gstark on Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:00 am

shakey wrote:1. You DO know when it is going to change. It will change when your selected shutter speed, aperture and default ISO will result in an underexposed shot.


As the person behind the camera, I'd expect that one's eys should be able to recognise the changing light conditions, and one should be able to adjust exposure parameters as required.

2. You DO know what the ISO will change to...it will change to lowest ISO which will lead to a correctly exposed shot


So, that's, er, um, 400? 600?? 1320? 800??

The reality is that you don't actually have a clue.

I see auto ISO as a "last chance" option to get correct expose in photographically inclement situations. Used appropriately I think it's a useful tool.


I agree that it's a "last chance" tool. I suspect my interpretation of "last chance" may differ slightly from your's. :)
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Postby Big Monkey on Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:12 pm

Thanks for writing such a informative article. Having read "Photography in a Nutshell" and this one, I am starting to think I may be learning something! Really useful for beginners and definitly gives me more confidence in understanding DSLR's.

Great Work, keep it up.

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Re: Exposure 101

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Re: Exposure 101

Postby Victor03 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:23 pm

Gary,

I notice that the URLs for the older tutorials no longer work.
Have they been replaced by other material? I could not see any replacements in the DSLRUSER website.

Perhaps they could be refreshed?

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